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welcome to episode 30, two of paws claws and wit nosers.
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The veterinary seek to podcast, celebrating all creatures great and small, and the fantabulous professionals who look after the oil.
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I'm your show host Julie south.
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I've heard that the bonus episode last week or during the week on immigration was appreciated.
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If you're one of those who got in touch, thanking me for that episode.
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Thank you.
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If you've been listening to paws, claws and wet noses for the last six or so episodes you'll have heard me talk about the fan girl moment I had when Dr.
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Brian Gregor show host of the vet podcast called me out of the blue to talk podcasting.
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This is part one of my catch up, my interview, my check-in with Dr.
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Bryan, before I started paws, claws and Wet Noses I did a whole bunch of research.
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I wanted to make sure I wasn't going to be treading on any toes with anyone here in God's zone, who is producing in the same space.
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As we are, I intended to hang out and the podcast world, I knew that Dr.
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Bryan had been hosting the vetpodcast for quite a while, but her audiences, although they were similar, we were both talking about different topics.
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Brian talked about.
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Being a vet, where is I'm all about hopefully working in the vet sector and Godzone Aotearoa New Zealand and helping with the HR, the marketing and business coaching, which is my background.
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So, and in another word we have complimentary audiences.
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And as I've said, a few times, the vetpodcast is where Paws Claws Wet noses dreams of being when it grows up today.
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Brian and I talk podcasting well today in next week we talk podcasting.
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So if you are thinking of starting your own podcast, then this show is definitely for you.
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Your podcasts can be about anything entrust.
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It really doesn't have to be veterinary based.
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One of the things that I'm regularly amazed at is at the personal talent, you know, the private talent that exists inside a vet clinic and someone's private lives, all the things that people do, some people do absolutely amazing things.
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They have really interesting hobbies and skills that have nothing whatsoever to do with being a veterinary professional and it stoves topics that I'm sure will make amazing.
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Yeah.
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Podcasts.
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And this show, Brian shares what life as a podcaster has been like for him.
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He talks about being offered early shares and Twitter way before the rest of us had even heard of Twitter and how he said no, because he didn't think such a crazy idea would take off.
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He talks about the really interesting veterinarians he's met and the different fields of expertise they work in as always I'll put links to what we talk about on the episode page for this podcast, which you can find it.
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Paws, claws, wet noses dot F M episode 32.
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We recorded this using zoom.
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So there's a bit of zoom, like atmospheric stuff happening.
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I'm sure you hear it.
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Dr.
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Bryan Gregor is a mainlander Christchurch raised.
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He graduated from Massey in the class of 1982.
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He worked originally in a small animal practice in Christchurch, but always wanted to be a dairy vet.
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So he jumped when the opportunity came his way in 1983 to move to Taranaki as a mixed practitioner.
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Then he was invited to open a small animal clinic a couple of years later, in terms of Ru for ordering new vets in 1986, which he then became a partner of shortly after a retired late in 2019.
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He produced his first podcast in 2004.
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As I mentioned here today, I've been podcasting since about 2010 and my private life, which is a long time in the world of podcasting.
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But Bryan trumps that by quite a few years, he produced his first podcast in 2004.
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Here's a little bit of useless information.
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Most podcasts.
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Don't go beyond episode one.
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People check it in at episode two today Bryan's interests include podcasting fishing.
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Cheesemaking gardening and traveling, not so much lately, but he's traveled a lot around New Zealand over the past year or so.
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I'll put all links to the vetpodcast which.
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It's all about current animal health issues discussed by professionals from around the world on the notes page at paws claws with noses episode 32.
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So you can listen yourself.
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An old vet told my father when he was a student in Glasgow.
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He said, if you want to be a success in veterinary practice, Just keep the bubbles open and just the rest of God, nutrition is not an opinion.
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It's a science.
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They called me that weird herbal needle.
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That, and I, I just remember thinking, well, I'm still going to do it cause I know it works.
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And I've got the research to back it.
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Yeah.
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From reminiscences of the real James Harriet son to Pete, you attrition.
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To acupuncture, the big podcast discusses current animal health issues from around the world on veterinarian, Brian greeter from New Zealand, just search for the vet podcast, wherever you get your podcasts from
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Now let's meet Dr.
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Brian Gregor.
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Righty podcasts.
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You have been podcasting for a long time, which to me means that you are an early adopter.
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Has, have you always been an early adopter, even in your PR you know, not even in, but in your professional career.
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As a veterinarian where you're an early adopter.
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Yeah.
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I'm sure I was, you know, was with irony bits, which was my old practice here in tomorrow.
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We were one of the first practices that become computerized.
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We used an old system called in Australia developed.
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I think we want IDEXX machine number seven in New Zealand, things like email newsletters and those sorts of things.
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So, and, and even.
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Techniques that we were using were feeling progressive.
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I sort of think back and crunch sometimes now.
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Yeah.
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Some of the things that we did try, but definitely always, always been an early adept or a few, like probably in my personal life.
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I've matched the same.
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I'm a gadget person, much to my wife's chagrin.
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I'm always buying the appliances, engage it.
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So, yeah, I think why did you choose the medium of podcasting?
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It's sort of jumped on me.
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I mean, you're saying I've been doing it for a long time.
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I once.
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We started to organize this discussion of, oh gosh, I should try to make them find it when I'm done with this podcast, I got back to a bit 2004 is the earliest one that I can actually find.
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But when I listened to it and it was rough, but when I listened to it, it was mentioned that previous podcasts, and I think I was up to something I keep aside teen means.
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So.
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I don't know.
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Um, the podcasting came about in a little bit of a weird way, I suppose.
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Um, I was watching, I think the program was called click on the BBC and I'd never, never really heard of the podcast for, but they started talking about podcasts.
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Then they were pushing a company called Odo, which.
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It's probably a weird story.
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We can go into that later, but they were pushing out a company called Odo and it looked simple to record a podcast.
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Something I can probably use that for the practice.
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So the first.
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Podcasts.
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Definitely.
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There was a thing called animals.
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Get sick too.
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Um, basically the same thing.
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I remember setting with my very rough guitar playing, making an, making an intro music track for us.
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And, um, it was very, very amateurish.
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Not that I'm saying that my podcasts particularly professional now, but, um, you know, it was very, very amatriciana and it sort of started from there and it sort of bounced through a few different.
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People who are holding that, holding that the traits, even through differences, see that, see that providers and it's just really grown.
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Yeah.
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Hey, has the format changed?
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It's chopped and changed a few times.
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I went through a little bit of a hiatus up until about a year and a half ago for two or three years, because life just got in the way to be truthful.
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The original format was disgusting.
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Veterinary matters basically for my clients for primary needs, big, small animal clients that went from there.
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Odd quite often put an anecdote at the end of it.
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I mean, it's a great anecdote.
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So I'm throwing an anecdote and at the end of it, that went from there as far as the format and it morphed into the fit podcast and it became more of a.
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I don't know, what's the term used it with a number of smaller segments.
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So I changed it from being for the clients of to move for animal owners and fig teaks, eight nurses, physios in vets.
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They haven't listened to.
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And I had a grip.
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I used to call them my foreign correspondence.
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I had a group of vets and England's and Bob like Canada.
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I can't remember what else?
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All Australia.
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And we used to talk about topical topical things.
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I mean, there's been some interesting conversations coming out of it.
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Probably the most interesting, I think was I'll go ahead and contact with a guy called Jim white, which might run some bales.
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So some people Jim White's father was Applewhite and Applewhite was James Harriet.
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It was a pseudonym and it was the 50th anniversary or something of something to do with James Harriet.
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So ended up having a really, really good discussion with Gemma who was Jen Harriet's real life son who has a V as well.
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The next generation up for me is things tend to go with this light planes.
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We hit internet issues seemed, I sort of got three quarters of an interview done, but that's probably the most listened to too.
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Podcasts that I've done.
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There's been a few others met too, I suppose, uh, had an interesting conversation with an English feat that they are passport fraud, peak passport fraud, which it's a fight.
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It's been a bit news who was working out of somewhere in one of the arriving countries is a big news and one of these compounds and she was discussing the problems that people had when they are buying pizza.
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So quarters like the market and.
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There's all sorts of shenanigans goes on and these animals are brought over from Poland and I've got garden as one of the cities.
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So yeah.
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I ran.
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There is a magazine for a while.
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I slipped into, out of laziness, probably a little bit for a while.
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Um, just with a few, few anecdotes, but now I'm gone to more of a, just a straight one-on-one interview.
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I mean, some of the previous ones that I've done.
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Yeah.
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Last last one.
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I think it was the last one was two fish feet who knows, who knows that there are bits that specialize in fish, fishery, acupuncturists, hype, contract therapists, zoo bits, rain, a couple of them with this.
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And how COVID is affected them.
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So that's sort of the format that I'm dealing with NASA at my, with change, but it's moment you, you mentioned James Harriet, and I remember watching the programs or creatures.
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Great.
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And small Paws Claws Wet noses is.
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Who is close with noses.
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His tagline is celebrating all creatures great in smaller on the fantabulous professionals who look after them all.
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And it's because of the James Harriet association that I use that tagline.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I have to admit that one of the reasons that I became a vape was probably, I was in trance with James Harriet's box and, you know, back in my early days, cause I'm sort of 80, 82 graduate or something.
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I mean, I've been doing this guy for a long time.
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We didn't have a lot of.
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The great drugs that we've gotten there.
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And a lot of the stories that he was talking about Danny generations, who prior to me, you know, his son was practicing when I was practicing.
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So it's a lot of it actually rang true with the things that he was doing, especially.
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My clearest Erie practice that I worked in was, was in coastal and deal were, you know, who'd step we're, milking 30 or 40 cares.
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And then I walked through a cashier and a lot of the stuff that he was dealing with was the kind of stuff that I was still dealing with.
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So it's come full circle.
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Do you think he's James Harriet, do you think he's well known down under here?
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Oh, he probably is.
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I mean, there's been a new James Harriet series that company we're at popped up on Netflix or somewhere, which has been redone.
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It's got really, really good reviews.
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So I'm sure that the new generation of got to, got to see that.
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I don't think that it's as common as it was, as well-known, as it was say, 20 years, 30 years ago, but yeah, most people.
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Who have got any affinity with animals then somewhere, at least food of James here.
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And what cha what technological Willem, what technological changes have you noticed over the years that you've been podcasting?
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Probably the one that's that's the most is basically what we're doing now.
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We know, we know it was recording.
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Podcast previously I would be using Skype and there was this little, little clip on program called picky mail pretty may or something.
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And it was chunky and everything can through a single channels.
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We're using zoom to record this.
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Uh, I normally use a program called squat cast, not a program.
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So it's an online and much the same as zoom.
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And I mean, it's really good.
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You can do video stuff on, it brings you podcasts and a Kappa channel so that you can eat at them.
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If one's a bit shonky you can amplify or.
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Took a treasury rate on that.
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So the actual recording is a lot easier than it used to be.
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The recording quality is better.
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Hold on.
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I'm actually struggling Dunham office and there's a lot of glass and climb walls.
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So I'm getting a little bit of reverb at the moment, but the recording quality is better.
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I mean, we are both using specialist, podcast microphones, which makes things a lot easier.
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There are a lot of.
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Programs around for editing podcasts.
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And they probably, the thing that's really changed is the number of people who listen to podcasts.
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I think I read it last week or the week before it was in the UK, 25% of the population listened to a podcast at least once a week.
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Now it's big business back in the day.
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I was the top victory podcast on my chains.
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I'll certainly dribble down the ranks for a number of reasons.
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I just like to interrupt you listeners.
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That is huge.
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Every podcast dreams of being number one with apple.
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Yeah, it lasted for a while.
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I mean, the story that goes with that, and I actually alluded to it, alluded to it earlier.
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I was originally with, I provide a cool audio.
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Now things were going great.
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The podcasts were being picked up by iTunes and they were on.
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The of matrix, which is the salt that I use, which has got RSS feeds going around to all the sites.
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I've got an email from REI signed.
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We are experimenting with a new kind of format.
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We're going to stop doing podcasts.
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We have got this new.
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Messaging system, what people I need to communicate with each other in 64 liters, we think it's going to be a big thing.
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And in my mind, I'm pretty sure there was a thing.
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If you want, if you want to, if you want to contribute place, come join us.
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I had an acronym for whatnot, extra tequila, certainly of takeoff.
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At tuned out to be twist that.
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Yeah.
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I'm sort of like the drummer of these drum or the Roman style, the Beatles, I think, but to carry on from that, there's a, is a thing called at three oh one redirection, which, you know, a lot of people would've got four oh one, then pop up when the website's not available.
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A three oh one redirection is the redirection net.
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We'll pick up the old feed and being an in somewhere outside.
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So it's supposed to be seamless that hadn't been invented back in the day.
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So I was unable to get my old feeds directly back into, into iTunes at the level it was at.
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And I mean, it's been number one, the gate's been number one.
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So once you fall down the ranks, it's very, very hard to push it back up again.
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So I sort of.
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Crushed and doing their little bit.
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I hit the change providers a couple of times, so I can see now there's a number of them around aims.
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Now that on your talk, I record a year and a bit ago, I'm spending quite a bit more time doing these podcasts.
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So we're actually starting to build up quite a bit of traction again, which is great.
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I would have cried.
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I think if I had lost the history that you've lost.
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It is, but it's still, yeah.
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And like you say, you know, it's just so hard to get back up there again.
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I think at the moment, When you hit to look at the arch in stats, I mean, that sort of Def that do the math for different geographic areas.
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And, you know, oh, I said some ski places that not five or six or seven, so I'm starting, starting to get back up again.
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You know, the psych stuff, income setting, some of her and to be at 40 or 50 or something at the moment, which is okay, because it's a very, very cluttered.
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He hates spice in there because it's so easy to do a podcast, 70 people that day.
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Have, have you ever wanted to like extended an invitation to do meet with a vet for a podcast and they say, yeah, I'd love to do that.
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What's a podcast.
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No, no, I haven't.
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I haven't actually, but, um, you know, I get a lot of, you know, what are you doing now?
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I'm doing podcasts, but really, you know, these corporate disbelief that they've been doing it for.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.